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Case: Self-abuse
I have an ESE student that hits himself in the head at random. He also bangs his for arms on the bottom of the desk. I am new to this student, and I am trying out some new techniques with him. One of his teachers has told me that he is doing these behaviors for attention. I would like to pursue some other avenues in order to explore his intentions. Do I listen to the veteran teacher, or do I follow my instincts?
Solution: (Rates are posted for this solution!)
I think you should take the veteran teacher's information into account and then look into his IEP for possible information, too. Pursue you own avenues because what has occurred in the past has not made the student stop the behavior. If he is able to control the behavior, develop a positive plan to encourage him to not self-harm. |
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| Comments: Great Advice! |
| Rated On: October 10, 2016 2:38 am |
| Rated By: Candice Greene |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution and think that this is how I would approach this situation if it happened in my classroom |
| Rated On: October 12, 2016 12:23 pm |
| Rated By: uSaPeL |
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| Comments: I think talking to the veteran teacher would be a good first step because the veteran teacher knows the student and what has/has not worked in the past. After getting this information, it will help the teacher shape which new ideas will help / not help. |
| Rated On: October 13, 2016 12:41 am |
| Rated By: qeguve |
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| Comments: While this solution may not completely solve the issue of the student hitting themselves, it may deter the behavior to only triggering times or moments. |
| Rated On: October 13, 2016 1:23 am |
| Rated By: yneLaH |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution. While it is helpful to know the history from previous teachers, obviously the behavior is still occurring so they have not been successful in solving the problem. |
| Rated On: October 14, 2016 9:03 pm |
| Rated By: uvuVas |
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| Comments: IEP's are a good example |
| Rated On: October 14, 2016 11:41 pm |
| Rated By: Nick |
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| Comments: Defiantly look into the students history. |
| Rated On: October 15, 2016 1:19 am |
| Rated By: aDaWaV |
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| Comments: I would also use this solution. Looking at the IEP is a good idea because you can see what needs to be done to help keep the student on track. |
| Rated On: October 15, 2016 4:52 pm |
| Rated By: ePymyp |
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| Comments: This is a good solutions to not ignore the veteran teacher, but to take what they said and investigate. You never know if he is messing around or if he is seriously hurting himself. But your plan is a good place to start! |
| Rated On: October 15, 2016 8:58 pm |
| Rated By: uWuXyj |
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| Comments: I would do something similar in this situation. |
| Rated On: October 16, 2016 2:06 pm |
| Rated By: GezyHu |
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| Comments: I think that looking in the student's IEP can give the teacher good clues about the explanation behind the student's behavior. This teacher should also seek advice from an specialist that works with the student. |
| Rated On: October 16, 2016 3:54 pm |
| Rated By: Maritza |
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| Comments: Completely agree with expanding your knowledge |
| Rated On: October 17, 2016 1:05 am |
| Rated By: ujyQeX |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution, the IEP most likely has information that will help, as opposed to just going off of what you see and hear. |
| Rated On: October 17, 2016 2:25 am |
| Rated By: aLuruz |
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| Comments: Definitely check the IEP and trying something new might help. |
| Rated On: October 17, 2016 2:50 am |
| Rated By: raMaba |
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| Comments: I agree, I would listen to advice, but still look into IEP. |
| Rated On: October 17, 2016 11:01 pm |
| Rated By: Nicole McVey |
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| Comments: Great! |
| Rated On: February 24, 2017 3:15 am |
| Rated By: eZuGeQ |
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| Comments: Great points! |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 1:05 am |
| Rated By: jyvubu |
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| Comments: Every student is different. The veteran teacher may have good intentions, however working with ESE students requires a team of individuals, with all of their input addressed |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 1:41 am |
| Rated By: detyny |
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| Comments: great idea i think its so important not to listen to prejudice on a student. |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 4:57 am |
| Rated By: ymuBub |
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| Comments: I agree that encouragement will be helpful. |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 5:41 am |
| Rated By: Kelsey Lutzi |
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| Comments: This is a great approach and great "next steps". I would definitely take advice from a veteran teacher if I was in this scenario. |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 5:54 pm |
| Rated By: Chelsea Navarro |
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| Comments: I would implement this solution. |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 8:53 pm |
| Rated By: aWeVyM |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution, I would use this in my classroom. |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 9:00 pm |
| Rated By: Gytusa |
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| Comments: Well said |
| Rated On: March 5, 2017 9:32 pm |
| Rated By: VeWyRu |
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| Comments: I think this is a good solution and I would use it. |
| Rated On: March 6, 2017 1:45 am |
| Rated By: aGeteb |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution and feel that it is important to take into consideration what the previous teacher said |
| Rated On: March 6, 2017 3:44 am |
| Rated By: Gapasa |
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| Comments: The students history would be very helpful. |
| Rated On: July 10, 2017 3:39 am |
| Rated By: jeRumu |
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| Comments: Looking at the IEP is a good idea because if it is not apart of the solutions then it might need to be added. Creating a positive plan for the student is a great idea for the teacher to help the student. |
| Rated On: October 3, 2017 9:03 pm |
| Rated By: aRaLeg |
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| Comments: Good solution! |
| Rated On: October 8, 2017 6:25 pm |
| Rated By: azuTen |
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Comments: Great solution. Doing a little bit more research should help you come up with some new solutions to help this student since nothing else seemed to work in the past.
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| Rated On: October 8, 2017 7:12 pm |
| Rated By: vaHyna |
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| Comments: This is a helpful solution because it is important for the teacher to first understand the student's history, and then make an effective plan moving forward. |
| Rated On: October 11, 2017 9:40 pm |
| Rated By: uqaTaq |
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| Comments: His IEP should help gain some insight and the info from the veteran teacher always helps as well. |
| Rated On: October 15, 2017 2:25 pm |
| Rated By: LuXaSe |
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| Comments: Definitely pursue other answers,as you may have an idea that someone else didn't think of before ! |
| Rated On: October 15, 2017 9:39 pm |
| Rated By: duPuSa |
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| Comments: I feel that this is the best solution, because I do not feel that dismissing the veteran teacher's advice is wise but exploring your own solution is best. |
| Rated On: February 19, 2018 8:01 am |
| Rated By: dymaDa |
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| Comments: I agree that you should take the teachers opinion into account but also do your own research you may be able to prevent this from happening. |
| Rated On: February 20, 2018 1:12 am |
| Rated By: Faith Graham |
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| Comments: Smart! |
| Rated On: February 21, 2018 4:51 pm |
| Rated By: uJyGep |
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| Comments: solution is original. |
| Rated On: February 23, 2018 7:51 pm |
| Rated By: junuTu |
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| Comments: this is a great solution |
| Rated On: February 23, 2018 9:37 pm |
| Rated By: eBejaP |
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| Comments: I agreewith this solution, that respect should be given to the veteran teacher but also new avenues explored. |
| Rated On: February 24, 2018 7:08 pm |
| Rated By: upyWyH |
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| Comments: I like this idea and think pursuing other options can give a new perspective. |
| Rated On: February 24, 2018 11:41 pm |
| Rated By: yqyjeQ |
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| Comments: A positive plan to not self harm could encourage the student to change this behavior. |
| Rated On: February 25, 2018 2:04 am |
| Rated By: NaGava |
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| Comments: Looking into his IEP is a great idea to gather helpful information. |
| Rated On: February 26, 2018 2:10 am |
| Rated By: pyMuba |
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| Comments: I agree |
| Rated On: February 26, 2018 4:08 am |
| Rated By: PeMuQa |
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| Comments: I agree, his IEP will have the best information |
| Rated On: October 5, 2018 8:44 pm |
| Rated By: uDyJeZ |
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| Comments: Yes. |
| Rated On: October 9, 2018 2:00 am |
| Rated By: pagyDa |
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| Comments: Definitely take the veteran teachers history into mind but also explore the student and pay attention to actions and why the student is searching for attention and thinks self- abuse is a way to do that. Talk to the student and maybe even the parents to see how to work with this behavior. |
| Rated On: October 12, 2018 7:48 pm |
| Rated By: ubeBaz |
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Yes
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Yes
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| Comments: I agree with this |
| Rated On: February 23, 2019 2:21 am |
| Rated By: uzaZuz |
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| The suggested solution is reasonable (easy) for the teacher to implement |
Yes
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Yes
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| Comments: Always refer to the IEP. Its there for a reason. |
| Rated On: February 24, 2019 4:14 pm |
| Rated By: ejyqeq |
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Yes
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| Comments: I agree that looking into the students history would help you determine which avenue to take. |
| Rated On: October 19, 2019 12:54 am |
| Rated By: Amber Hyatt |
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| The suggested solution is respectful of the individual (student) |
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Yes
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Yes
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| Comments: I think this is a really helpful solution. |
| Rated On: October 20, 2019 8:03 pm |
| Rated By: Anastasia Stampoulis |
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Yes
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| Comments: Good idea. Taking both sides into account helps. He may have more reasons to self-abuse himself more than attention. |
| Rated On: October 20, 2019 8:57 pm |
| Rated By: Mary Claire Murphy |
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| Comments: I agree with this solution. Go with your gut feeling, but take the veteran teacher's information into account. |
| Rated On: October 22, 2019 2:41 am |
| Rated By: uQyvaQ |
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No
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| Comments: I think that this is a good first step to understanding this behavior. However, if this does persist I would reach out for help. This could also be some kind of disorder that has gone undiagnosed. You shouldn't assume that it is just for attention because anything is likely. |
| Rated On: October 18, 2020 6:58 pm |
| Rated By: Mutyre |
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Yes
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Yes
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| Comments: I agree and think using positive encouragement against the destructive behavior is a good idea |
| Rated On: November 10, 2022 7:55 am |
| Rated By: muWyZy |
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